tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7725929327956365942.post3401956940273796109..comments2024-02-24T00:30:35.083-08:00Comments on David Stillman: The TWO?!? Harris Tunnels?!?, Red Reef TrailDavid Stillmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04883591383974327072noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7725929327956365942.post-20478940098898867772015-07-29T09:42:33.174-07:002015-07-29T09:42:33.174-07:00I biked up Sisar, down Red Reef in a drizzle that ...I biked up Sisar, down Red Reef in a drizzle that became rain early spring 1992 (prior to the June wilderness designation) then didn't return until a long day hike with my daughters and son-in-law in 2010 via the Sespe. It didn't really resonate with me untill your post here and your find of the forgotten yet later constructed tunnel with a chunk missing from the ceiling. Thats the tunnel I remember coming down Red Reef in '92. I also had the pleasure of working with John Boggs and Mickey McTigue in the early '90's on several occassions, as well as riding with Mickey as he was updating his guide book. I enjoy your work David, thanks! Mike Sarvernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7725929327956365942.post-56759149490510067232015-03-02T16:44:35.914-08:002015-03-02T16:44:35.914-08:00The eastern side/upper reroute appears to have bee...The eastern side/upper reroute appears to have been a workable solution... in theory. The geology sure didn't work out though.David Stillmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04883591383974327072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7725929327956365942.post-27152350785590797552015-03-02T13:15:53.842-08:002015-03-02T13:15:53.842-08:00David: the trail you found was a reroute of the or...David: the trail you found was a reroute of the original Red Reef. the work was done after the 1969 floods. I was on a pack trip with my family. we rode through the original route, down to Willetts and saw the trail builders working up the east side of the ridge, using a very high maintenance system of shoring. out of curiosity, I traveled both routes to see how they lasted. as I suspected the original was greatly superior to the reroute. My last ride over the reroute was very dangerous with the trail collapsing, sliding under the under the shoring. luckily we had trail wise animals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7725929327956365942.post-23674419801503212292015-02-02T18:43:30.260-08:002015-02-02T18:43:30.260-08:00Excellent! Thanks for the back story sir! -DSExcellent! Thanks for the back story sir! -DSDavid Stillmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04883591383974327072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7725929327956365942.post-63090045376173375172015-02-02T06:02:14.951-08:002015-02-02T06:02:14.951-08:00Got a chance to talk to retired Ranger Boggs about...Got a chance to talk to retired Ranger Boggs about the Red Reef trail tunnel conundrum. As you can see in the picture I sent you, the tunnel you found was on the main trail in 1983. Here is the story from Boggs. In the 1970s the Red Reef trail was re-routed (actually out of Red Reef Canyon) onto the south facing slope and, in fact, two new tunnels were built by a contractor from somewhere in northern California. In the later 1980s (sometime after that picture I took in 1983) the trail was routed back through the "real" Harris tunnel along the more or less original route by Boggs, McTigue, some Thacher folks and a few others. EMWhttp://www.emwalker.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7725929327956365942.post-81798253026528055492015-01-19T01:05:55.887-08:002015-01-19T01:05:55.887-08:00Did a bit of my own joy-riding in Sespe country th...Did a bit of my own joy-riding in Sespe country this weekend; pulled into the PB parking lot @ 0645 hours & had to fight for a parking spot, busier than Wal-Mart on Black Friday........... 100+ easy, had a vantage point up on ridge and could see a steady stream of people meandering up/down the trail.<br /><br />With a day as glorious as that, can't say I blame a single one of them!! <br /><br />Thanks for sharing another adventure.RockTrekkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04134438905992261553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7725929327956365942.post-69404104533211415242015-01-18T20:18:14.237-08:002015-01-18T20:18:14.237-08:00Rico, thanks for looking at the old carto. I'v...Rico, thanks for looking at the old carto. I've got a line on a fellow who knows guy who might know the answer to this riddle. I'll update if I hear anything. -DSDavid Stillmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04883591383974327072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7725929327956365942.post-86231944880571684532015-01-18T09:01:03.589-08:002015-01-18T09:01:03.589-08:00Nice find DS. A review of some of the old topos su...Nice find DS. A review of some of the old topos suggests that the trail was re-routed sometime after 1943. The 1943 topo shows the trail following the streambed until approximately the 2nd drainage from the east just beyond point 4211 at which point it begins to climb in a south-westerly direction. Modern topos show the trail crossing the stream near the junction with the 1st drainage from the east and then climbing the west side of the canyon to the 3400 ft. contour before tracking south. The 1903 topo on the USGS website isn't detailed enough to show the trail. That really doesn't solve the mystery about the second tunnel, but it does suggest that the trail wasn't always exactly where it is today for whatever that's worth.<br /><br />Anyhoo, nice to see you back in the saddle.<br /><br />~Rico~<br />Madison Christianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17476494056610217659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7725929327956365942.post-91426969639336466792015-01-18T01:25:10.197-08:002015-01-18T01:25:10.197-08:00Well thats a bit of a powerful return. Well thats a bit of a powerful return. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04809041178528289519noreply@blogger.com